The Infinity Within: Self-Discovery, Purpose & Life as a Game with Kris Land

In this expansive and grounding conversation, Rachel Fitzpatrick sits down with Kris Land, author of the award-winning book The Infinity Within, to explore self-discovery, purpose, and what it means to experience life as a conscious participant rather than a passive observer.

Kris shares the inspiration behind his writing, the role mentorship has played in his personal evolution, and how fear can serve as a powerful signpost for growth rather than something to avoid. Together, they explore the idea of life as a game — one filled with lessons, rules, and experiences designed to help us remember who we truly are.

The conversation weaves through spirituality, frequency, co-creation, and the power of asking meaningful questions. Kris also reflects on the journey of writing The Infinity Within and the transformative path of its central character, Gabriel, highlighting universal truths about awareness, belief, and the illusion of separation.

This episode is an invitation to reconnect with purpose, raise your frequency, and remember the infinite intelligence already within you.

 If you’ve been searching for meaning, clarity, or purpose outside yourself — this conversation gently invites you back inward. 

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Transcript

The Journey of Self-Discovery

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Hi friends, welcome back, or welcome for your first time into the Fits In project where I love talking about yoga, mindset, and energy management. Like all three of those things are my jam. And I love bringing on guests that also appreciate all three assets of life. Let's be honest. So today I hope you grab your awesome cup of tea, grab yourself a cup of coffee, whatever have you. And this conversation is part of the regulation series that I'm doing for January. And this piece today, uh I feel like if I could have saved the best for last, I saved the best for last because it is a spiritual conversation. It's part of the spiritual tier, so to speak, of the regulation series that I've been doing this month. Uh, we've already gone in through um nervous system regulation with feedback 50. We did financial regulation with Mike Milligan and one of financial, I've done health regulation with Dr. Damatia on um obesity medicine. And today is spiritual regulation with Chris Land. He is uh award-winning author. He wrote the book The Within The Infinity Within. And this book is such an incredible must-have, must-read. It's thought consciousness, leadership consciousness, self-leadership, it's mindset, it's energy management, it's all of the things perfect for the seeker, perfect for the curious mind, and a perfect reminder that everything that you have is within. So without further ado, I want to share with you this beautiful conversation with Chris Land. Tell me what it means to you to be in the business of yourself.

Creating and Sharing Stories

SPEAKER_01 2:27

That's an interesting question. Um, I love creating things. I love creating technology, I love creating things that haven't been built yet. I like uh well, I started writing four or five years ago, and so finally I'm able to take some of my ideas and put them to paper. So I love creating books and writing about things I've done and ideas I've had and getting them on paper. Um, with the Infinity Within, what I found was uh even though I had a very good idea of the constructs and ideas that that build the book, putting them to paper crystallized a lot of the ideas and concepts for me. So it's it's yeah, creation. I love creating things.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

I can totally tell with that, just with like who you are. As a matter of fact, when I talk to my friends about you, I'm like, yeah, so he started out at 17 and now he's got this awesome book and it's like number one everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

So I I've been super fortunate that it is doing very well. I just got told this weekend that I also won the Royal Dragonfly Uh award for my book. So that's the book.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

The World Dragonfly.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

It's called Royal Dragonfly. It's an indie award. Okay. Um, but it's the fifth award in the last month I've won with the book. So um I've been very fortunate to have that kind of acceptance and and to have these different groups really enjoy the book.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, one of the favorite things that I have about the book is that you can, this is a it's almost a it's a belief system, right? Where you are also writing it as a belief system and from your life experiences, but you turned it into a fiction novel, so to speak. And I believe that's why it's so majestic and why it feels like so magnetic to read. Like I'm still waiting for it, but I've been review after review after review in the whole reading all of the reviews on your book. I'm still waiting for mine to come in, but that's what I feel like is like really hitting the spot.

The Role of Mentorship

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Thank you. I when I wrote it, I didn't want, you know, everybody has their own beliefs. Everybody has their own things that are important and sit right with them. The last thing I want to do is write a book that tells them what to believe or how to believe. That has never been my intention. The way I wrote the book is exactly what you said. It's a non-fictional memoir of things that happened through my life and happened to me and around me. But it's done from a fictional character's name, Gabriel or Gabe. Um, so he is the character that takes the story and you live, you read about how he goes through um life and then meets Elias, who's his mentor. And uh Elias as a mentor also is not in the mood to preach. He loves asking questions. And through questions, Gabe gets to experience and go through his thought process. And so the reader in reading the book gets to follow along. And the idea was that they get to take from it what they want and they can leave behind what they don't. And what resonates with them, they get to to resonate with and and uh potentially absorb and use, and what doesn't, they just don't use. And I've been extremely blessed with the reviews I've received that match that that desire of how I wrote the book.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Yeah. That seems it's thought-provoking. It's like a leadership thought, it's a consciousness in and of itself that uh allows the reader to tap in to their own consciousness and imagination of how they would perceive the certain event, which I love. I love those types of books, anyways. Um, I'm actually in the middle of a book, it's uh priority living. And one of the things that he talks about, Bill Goodwin, it was one of the things he's brought up is about the mentor in the mentee and how important it is to ask the questions. And that's like what makes a really good mentor. Do you use that also as your like you're a coach in your coaching business as well?

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Yeah, I mean, anybody can sit there and and speak. The real goal in teaching is learning and asking questions. Because everybody has their own path, everybody has their own way of handling things, everybody has their own fears, concerns, doubts, desires. And if the mentor doesn't understand those pieces, I don't know how they can easily or constructively help them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Yeah, absolutely. And then when they're as the as the mentee, a lot of times I feel like the mentor is like, come with me with questions. Well, how are you supposed to know what you don't know? Do you walk Gabriel through any of that in your book as well?

Understanding the Infinity Within

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Like there's a ton. I mean, the the whole book for Gabe is coming from a place of not knowing. Um I mean, it's funny, in in chapter two, when he meets Elias, um Gabe enjoys coffee shops, which I enjoy as well. And he so throughout my entire life, I've had situations where I'm in restaurants or or uh coffee place or whatever, and random people will come up, grab a chair, sit down, and start talking to me. And then when they're done and we talk a little bit, they'll get up and I'll never see them again. And it happens all the time. And what I learned from that, well, first off, I set up a kind of a funny word. So the the concept of there is no such thing as coincidences, um, I call them coincidenks. Um, and and that is that every every time we meet somebody like us on this podcast, we were already connected. We are connected, and we chose to be here, and we're here for a reason that both of us get to benefit from. So, in all these meetings through my lives, what I've learned from it when I paid attention is that those people had things that they needed to hear from me, and there's things they said that I needed to hear from them at that time in my life. And so the original title for the infinity within was actually going to be called the soul path or soul path. And it it comes to, you know, these connections, these there is no such thing as quinkedings. And so the idea that we're all connected and that that we all meet each other at different points in time for a reason um just resonated really loudly. I don't know if that answered your question exactly.

Experiencing Life as a Game

SPEAKER_02 10:10

It brought up more questions. So I am such a believer and a lover in the things of everything is always right on time. I mean, when you can really begin to look around, you're always going to find what you seek. And I really believe that, you know, if you're seeking out or your energy is set in um a low frequency or everything is so negative, you're going to experience that low frequency negativity all around you. And it it's a you thing, you know, at the end of the day. But if you're one who experiences a lot of joy, high frequency moments or high frequency settings everywhere you look, I mean, you can look outside at any given moment and you might see the rainbow or you might see something like super mystical and magical because it's always there, is what I'm saying. So I feel like that's a bit of a nutshell as to your koeky deeks that brings it back in. But is that how you describe like your infinity within? Is that your how did that even come about? Your infinity within?

The Power of Questions

SPEAKER_01 11:26

That's a longer story. Um, so this is part of the discussion we had a long a while back. Um I was very fortunate. So I grew up in North Dakota. I was definitely an introvert. I was a nerd, and I started with electronics when I was like 10 or 11 years old. And um, I started selling Apple II computers when I was in junior high. And uh this gentleman named Robin came in and bought one for the purpose of having accounting software for his third-generational farming family. And uh his name was Robin, and he knew how he wanted accounting to work, and I knew how to program. And so we did that. And then a few years later, we sold it and made a bunch of money, and that threw me into a deep depression. And the at that time there wasn't stories like this. Nowadays, the story about how people win the lottery and it destroys their lives. I I get it, at least a version of it. For me, the version was that at the time, even though growing up in childhood, I had a number of things that would be considered not normal happen to me. Um, and I spent a lot of time studying different theologies. At the point that I had all this money, I thought I'd achieved everything I was supposed to achieve. So I'd lost all my goals. They were they were done, they were complete, not really lost, they were just done. I didn't have any. And that left me in a place of not knowing what to do next. And so in my working on trying to figure that out, the very first thing I did was kind of put together three goals that I knew that I would never accomplish, but that I could always strive for. Um, and that was to have fun, learn, and do neither at the harm or impedance of others. And with those three, then I kind of moved on. I got I got hired by a bank, um my boss's name, coincidentally was Chris as well, and he was a tried and blue atheist. And even though, as we've discussed, I have no problem with people wanting to believe anything they believe. Um, it didn't sit right for me for him. And so I I made it a goal to figure out how to convince him otherwise. Now you can't you can't really convince somebody that there's a soul without doing some pretty crazy things, and even then it probably won't work. But what I did come up with was four questions that anybody can ask. And it kind of shows that there all the upside or win is in believing we have a soul, and all the downside is in believing we don't. So then that got me on the path with my background of lots of strange things happening and my theology background of great, if we have a soul, what is it? You know, what what exactly is a soul? Let's let's take on the the ownership that we have one. Well, what does that really mean? And so in the Bible's the easiest one to reference because everybody kind of knows about it. Um, and in there, there are things like we are the children of God. And Jesus tells his disciples, you will do everything I've done and much more. And there's a lot of chapters and verses that discuss this. And they and if you go through all the theologies, I've gone back all the way to Egyptians and even a little bit pre-Egyptian um readings, all the theologies seem to have, even though they say it in different ways, a very similar um idea. And so if we have a soul, I could only come up with like, well, first off, what is a soul? So according to everything that we kind of know, it's a being that exists outside of space and time. And I could only come up with three things that a being like that would probably be doing in eternity, and that is creating stuff, destroying stuff, and playing games. Because I mean, that pretty much covers it, right? So, okay. Well, the first question then is great, what's a game? And if we take a look at a game like Monopoly, what what makes Monopoly a game? What is it? What what are the things that make a game a game? Well, again, there's seems to be only like three things that are really important. You have pieces, you have turns, and you have rules. So if that's true and we play games, then why not say, all right, we're in the game of planet Earth? And if that's true, why would we be here? What's the purpose again? Well, the planet Earth has it exists in a fourth-dimensional construct. And the fourth dimension is time, which is the primary motivator. But when you go to three dimensions below, time doesn't exist. Five dimensions above, there's a new primary motivator. So in the fourth dimension, time is kind of the most the largest thing, the most important thing. Okay. So soul goes into a game construct with fourth dimensional time being the most important. Why? What would be the purpose of this? What possibly would Soul find interesting? Could only come up with one thing.

Navigating Fear and Anxiety

SPEAKER_02 17:00

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SPEAKER_01 18:42

You want to take a stab at it?

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Experience.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Bingo. Experience, experience emotion.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Yeah.

Finding Purpose in Life

SPEAKER_01 18:50

But when we say experience emotion or experience, we don't mean just the good stuff. We mean all of it, the entire thing. Because if you don't have bad things happen, you really don't really have, first off, you get bored of all the good things constantly happening. Second off, you don't really have a um a yin and yang or a balance of knowing the difference, right? Okay, great. So if we're a soul and we're here to experience and we're in the game, how would that look? Well, just like Monopoly, we don't enter in Monopoly as an entire operating Rachel who takes the entire bank and all the hotels and says, I'm done. It's not a very fun game, is it? So if we came into the game of Earth and we brought in all our soul abilities and then changed everything, that's really not that much fun. So I came up with some rules because, as I said, you've got pieces, which is us, you've got turns, which I consider to be lifetimes, and then you have rules. So what do the rules look like? Well, the first rule is we agree to put to side All of our godly abilities. And that's fine and dandy, except that if we're in the game and we've agreed to put all our abilities to the side, and then our favorite dog is running across the street, gets run over by a car, and we go draw on our power and go, uh-uh-uh, that didn't happen. We're really not going to be experiencing emotion, are we? Because every time something happens we don't like, we just pull on our powers and change it. So the second rule is we agree to forget that we ever had them. Okay, that's a trap. And we're as souls, I would have to venture that we're probably pretty smart, meaning that we would not put a piece of ourselves in a game for eternity. So the third rule would be we have turns. And in those turns, which are lifetimes, we set aside when we come in, we predetermine certain things that we want to accomplish in a turn. And then if we do, we move to the next turn, and so on. However, if we don't get whatever we set aside to do, we get to do it over and over and over until we figure it out. And then we move on to the next turn and the next turn and eventually leave the game. Okay, great. Fourth rule. We're a hundred percent invested. When we play, we play for real. Like in order to experience the full depth of emotion and an experience, we place ourselves here to really feel it, to really be in it. The other four rules, I'll let you read the book. Um, but basically, with that, you have a construct that can get pretty sophisticated, can get pretty darn difficult, and allows us as godlike beings to be here and do these things.

The Impact of Frequency on Experience

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Wow. There's so many things running through my mind right now because I'm I'm leading into oh, this must be why we learn about non-attachment and how to move forward with life, or this must be why we learn about true love, and so we can experience some of these emotions, or this must be why there are narcissists because they can't handle the emotional path. Or that's the path they're on. Yeah. There's just so many things going on in my brain right now. I'm like, I don't even know which one to start with. But I wouldn't I um think I'm leaning into the love part of it because I feel like if you can experience that and you're 100% invested, then you're getting all of the good and the bad, like the pain and a little bit of the suffering, but you're also getting so much of that joy and this, you know, like I said earlier, you know, what it you're seeking will find you and seeks you back. I think that was a roomy um quote. I believe so, yeah. Yeah. So it's very interesting that this isn't um gamified, which I mean, how do we learn? Which I find also koeky deeky for you. And how this is so on time, on point with everything else, you know. I mean mentors right now, they're using uh the app school, for example, which is a gamification of keeping people interested and invested, or you could go to um a game, like an NBA game or something like that, and not just them playing, but they'll throw things out into the crowd to keep you coming back and like, oh, you got to sit in here, and it's like super cool. But when you think about it, everything's gamified.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Well, if you look at the number one way for a child to learn is through a game construct. They will learn faster and take more with them going through a game learning process than any other process available.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Oh wow, I'm having flashbacks of multiplication. I was really smart in fourth grade. Like I really was. I was like, we would go through like these hot seats, and that was my favorite thing to do. And I would just get on it after one after another, after another.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

And if it was a game, you really pushed yourself.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Yeah, it was so much fun. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Exactly right. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

So, but yeah, it's so much fun. It's fun winning, you know?

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Well, fun, and and then you know, you get if you have other players, you're playing with them, and so there's the emotional, you know, cross-texture. There's just all kinds of reasons that games are kind of important.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Yeah, yeah. That is very interesting. And what a thing to pick up on. And then I mean, and you turn it into another game of a book, like a fun book to read where you're in it and you can easily put yourself in the shoes of Gabriel and play the game that he's going through in your book, right? That is very interesting. Oh, I can't wait for it to get here. I'm gonna be posting so many Instagram reels on this book. I'll be like, you guys have to read this right now. It just sounds so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

It is. Well, and it's designed to be that way because you know, you've you've said it multiple times and you're spot on, is that the frequency that we're in, the frequency we are, love being one of the higher frequencies, if not the highest. Um, Esther and Abraham Hicks talk about this, the source and being in the in the vortex and those kinds of things. The idea that whatever frequency we're we're in is what we attract. And um if we're in a lower frequency, then we tend to draw and attract the lower frequency things. And the higher frequency we set up for ourselves, we tend to attract the higher frequency stuff. Now, that doesn't mean that some things don't happen, but it's also how we perceive the frequency we're in, is how we take in what's going on around us. So for one person, what might seem not so nice might be perfectly fine for somebody else, depending on what state they're in.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Yeah. That is such a perspective learning. Um, I mean, and just in your conscious awareness as well, but it is how it is so wild to me how I can be sitting with my partner in the same room watching the same thing, and we both have such a different reaction and experience for a movie or whatever it is that we're in, a family member, whatever. It it is wild to me how the that is such a shift, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

It's true. Because not only is it the frequency you're in, but in those situations, you're also driving it through all the learning experiences and all the filters you've built from a child.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Yeah. So how did you overcome this? Well, I want to take you back to your um experience where you sold all of everything and then you're left with not understanding where your goals are or what's going on next. How did you take that next step? How did you move forward from that space? Because there might be somebody out there that's like, man, I'm in I'm in that spot now, or I just won the lottery. You know?

The Importance of Goals

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Yeah, well, those are two very different questions. Um uh so to answer the first one, how did I start getting out? I started by first understanding, okay, so I'm depressed. Well, where's that coming from? Well, that comes from a fear of not knowing what I'm gonna do next. Okay, great. I look at fear as signposts. Fear is a way of telling us that something's going on. And you know, it's kind of funny. There's there's two kinds of fears in the world. There's the one where the saber-toothed tiger is running at you down the hill, and if you don't run, you get eat. That's a very visceral, real fear, right? The second fear is here, and that's the one that traps us. And so when I would say to anybody, first off, if you're in a depression, try to try to figure out where the fear is. Try to figure out what's fearful because usually uh when you're depressed, it's coming from a place of either depression or anxiety, right? And then, you know, a long time ago I learned depression is worrying about the past and anxiety is worrying about the future and not knowing how to control one or the other. So identifying the fear, and then from there start asking, okay, what doubts are coming up for me? And so what I did was I found out that the my biggest challenge right then is I didn't know what to do next. I didn't have any steps forward. So I guess even though it was a depression, it was based on anxiety. And um so by building those three really simple goals, that was my first clawing up out of that space and giving myself something to do. And I, and again, it was goals that were achievable but not finishable. And that uh it was important that I added the third goal, which is neither at the harm or impedance of others, because you can have fun where you actually can harm people, right? You can do learning where you take advantage of people. And I didn't want to do that. I wanted to do both of them in a very clear and concise way. So those three goals allowed me to kind of scrabble to the next part. And then everything that built into the book was all about learning and having fun doing it.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Yeah. Absolutely. And I've also often hear too, like the opposite of depression is purpose. And if you can figure out your purpose and understand the difference between also, then it brings you to the difference between purpose and passion. You know, your passion may be something that um changes over time, or you might love one thing today and another thing tomorrow, or you love them both, or whatever, you're passionate. But with the purpose, it is that constant. And I think that's why it could serve as the opposite of depression, but it's a constant. A purpose for you was to have fun. A purpose for you was to learn and not impede others. Yeah. And I was just like that's very eloquent in how you could lead from being then leading your life, not just living it. And then that changes the game for you for forever.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

What was your next move? It wasn't this book, that was many.

The Essence of Co-Creation

SPEAKER_01 31:19

The next move, like I mentioned, was that um I got hired at a bank, and then my boss, you know, through I don't know, I'd only been there a few weeks and we got to know each other pretty good. And he said, Yeah, he doesn't believe in souls at all. And then I started down the path of, okay, well, hmm, let's let's figure that out. And so again, curiosity, right? And then I came up with the four questions, and then that actually fundamentally changed the way he looked at life. And I went, huh, that's pretty cool. And then that started me down the curiosity of okay, great, if we had a soul, okay, what does that mean? And so it was really just this kind of question, question and stepping out, kind of like you had mentioned earlier that mentors, a lot of good mentors, they ask questions. They don't tell people things, they draw questions out. I would say that for anybody that's stuck is to start doing exactly that. Start asking questions. Why am I stuck? What's sticking me? What's the fear? What's the doubt? What what am I feeling? What is going on here? And really start kind of just question, question, question, question, because with questions and answers becomes freedom.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yes. Absolutely. Following the breadcrumbs all the way through. And I mean, I feel like you could also write a book and it could be called the breadcrumb trail. Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Moving through. I mean, because I also feel like with every answer of a question is a new opportunity. And you then in six months might not even recognize that you were ever in a place of dismay six months previous, you know, because you've been able to ask yourself out of it, perhaps.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Well, and at some point, I mean, we all have the ability to get out of it. It's where our mindset is. And sometimes the baby steps, like you asked earlier, you know, what was my baby steps for getting out? Just put one simple goal in place and then start working towards that. And then put another goal into place and start working towards that, and then ask questions along the way.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Yes. I actually have a um quadrant that I made up, a fits in quadrant, where you can it's a to prioritize your time, but it's also so much leading into exactly what this uh work is. It's like the work, but it's small movements every single day that you can replace with something that you will intentionally make room for, right? So I find that this just so odd brand with everything that I'll love to talk about. So it's great. Tell me more.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Which is why we're we're doing it. Yeah.

The Role of Teachers and Guides

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Oh, so you've written many books. Is this your favorite one so far? Hey guys, I wanted to take another little break here because uh it occurred to me, you know, this whole podcast is about yoga mindset and energy management. And it's only fair that I share with you exactly how I embody it. Not only with the Rage Create, like I told you earlier, with my pads that I use every single day for work as a project executive, but also with my financial planning. I sit in rooms with people in this app called School. And I've got two separate rooms going on right now. One is a mentorship with Legnifer Liss. It's called the Expansion Room. And she is all about helping you and your nervous system be safe to sell, safe to create, and grow and scale your business. She's helped me for an entire year. She was a big uh mentor aide with Kathy Heller's program in 2025. And so I actually jumped into her community for 2026, and I'm inviting you to do the same. So if you're interested in joining a mentorship community, there is a link in the show notes with her name on it in the expansion room. But if you're interested in the money side of things, I gotta tell you, my conversation with Mike Milligan a couple weeks ago hit the nail on the head for me. And when I'm thinking about me and my values and how I want to be able to support myself, you know, I won't want to feel overwhelmed with money because money is energy, period. Money is energy, and I don't outsource my financial clarity to chaos. I just don't do that. I have in the past. I don't do that anymore. And this financial regulation, it's not hustle, it's calm, it's value-based planning. And that's exactly what Mike offers in his one-of-a-kind uh financial planning company, and also in this um school program that you can join, and it's called Personal Financial Planning. So there's a link for that also in the show notes. And if this sounds like it hits your nail on the head, just check it out. That's all you gotta do.

The Journey of Writing and Creation

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Yeah, this is, I mean, all of them are designed to be empowering in different ways. So the how to build your dream home is is from when I was doing my high-tech companies. Um, so I didn't really finish that earlier first question you asked me. So after I came up with the ideas for the book and came up with the construct, I hired a ghostwriter. The ghostwriter, she kept wanting to make it her own story. And so I fired the ghostwriter. And I took all my notes because I was not a book writer. I was not an author back then. This was in my 20s, and I put all my notes in a filing cabinet. And even though I ran my life based on the construct I'd built, I really didn't think about writing a book around it. Um, I was then very fortunate that I founded 11 other companies and took one public, and the rest were acquired or merged through my life. And during my high technology days, my hobby was construction. And the reason being is that when you're in high tech, you have things like bugs and things that you have to fix and things that break, and there's all this mental work, and there's really not a lot of physical work. And so the construction was a way where I could build something, and unless it had termites, there weren't bugs like software, and it usually stayed where you put it when you were done, and it didn't usually just break itself, which computers tend to do. So it was a very nice outlet for my physical mental part. And so I started building houses and things and came up with, again, you can probably get that I do everything from an engineering perspective. So I put together a spreadsheet of kind of what it, what the steps are to build a house from the from the very simple point of getting a bank and buying a piece of land all the way to doing the landscaping and moving the furniture in. And um the spreadsheet's only seven pages long. It's not very big. I mean, it's it's got a lot of data, but it's very straightforward. And so um my wife and I moved to Texas, and I wanted something else to add to my things that I like to do. And I'd always liked the idea of writing a book, and so I kind of forced myself to write a book, but I wrote it on how to build your dream home. So the very first book is kind of like uh an overview of the other books, so it's kind of a 26-week overview of the whole process, um, and then that came together really actually pretty easily for my spreadsheet. And then what I did was each chapter, which is um a couple weeks of work, I then took a chapter and built that into a book. And so, like the very first, well, the second chapter is um how to select your land, how to get your banking together, and get everything ready to build. That's just one chapter. It's I don't know, 3,000 words long. But then book two is. You know, 30,000, 35,000 words on how you actually go through that process. And so in writing, the first five books are published. The sixth book is is written, but I have all the illustrations to finish. Um, but that got me comfortable in my own skin for writing.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Yeah.

Gabriel's Transformative Experiences

The Illusion of Reality

SPEAKER_01 40:21

And then my next book was because I wanted to take a break because that's a it's a lot of focused work in that space. Um, I started doing mentoring for businesses again. And it was the company's called Building Wealth Clinic. And I was getting asked the same questions over and over and over again. And I said, you know what? They don't teach this stuff in school. There's a lot of this that these questions are all the same, and they come from a foundational not knowing. And so I wrote a book called A Finance Book for Young Adults. And it's it's anybody at any age can read it, but it's a book that I wished I had when I was 16 or 17. And so I wrote it with that in mind. And the very first chapter deals with the concept of where did money come from? What is it? And then at the tail end of it, it's how the ultra-rich actually look at money. They look at it very differently than you and I. You and I, or I assume you, I know me, um, you know, I have to go grocery shopping, I have to pay bills, I have to worry about where some money comes from, I have to make sure that the car and the insurance is going. And so I have all this busy work around money that I always have to do. Well, when you've got a billion dollars in the bank, guess what? All of those concerns go gone. And you get to you get a whole bunch of new free space to do stuff because you can hire somebody that manages all the crypcraft, right? You can have a cook, you can have a house person, you can, you can have the tax people, you know, and all those people you can say, okay, go make that happen. Well, that means you got a lot of free time. So they look at money in a very different way than we're taught and that what we're shown. And fundamentally, that way of looking at it as more of a tool than a required resource, even though you know we all need to have money in order to do things in a material world, that viewpoint, when it changes, gives it a different texture, a different way of looking at things. So all the books I've written are designed. In fact, the very first introduction is I wrote this to provide knowledge and freedom within the topic. If you're building your dream home, you don't, you you really should be aware of things that can go wrong with your general contractor and the subs and things to look out for and things to look for, and and at least have some understanding of the process instead of just kind of going, okay, what's going to happen next, and potentially being really taken advantage of, which in a lot of cases happens. And the same with finances.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Yeah. Absolutely. I'm actually um so glad to even have this conversation because it can, it is the same principle over and over for, like you said, if that's the question you're being asked, that's the question we're not innately given or the answer we're not born with, you know. So I find that very interesting because we were, we as an I am working with uh my parents at a different house right now, and we're uh getting it remodeled and stuff like that. But, you know, they're they've been around the block or two a time or two, and I have not, and this is kind of like my first dealings with the contractor, and we've got the estimate today. And my dad's like, no, no, no, no, no. We read it, we don't just like give them the money and we're going through all these processes. I'm like, oh, okay, just learning things all day, every day. That is amazing. So I want to bring you back into the infinity within. And if you can name your top. Well, there's three things I want to ask. So I'm gonna ask and then I'll I'll give it away. But I want to ask, what was your favorite question to Gabriel? What was your favorite thing that he did in the book? And yeah, that's the just two questions, not three.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

That's okay. Um, and the first one, sorry, I start digging into each question as you ask them.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

The first one was your favorite question that was asked in the book?

The Power of Belief and Manifestation

Universal Truths and Spirituality

SPEAKER_01 44:49

When Gabriel finally learns the the idea that we're in a game, he says, Well, does that mean it's frivolous? Does that mean it's not serious? That I don't have to take my life seriously? It's just a game. I mean, what's what's the point? And Elias says, So how serious do football players and soccer players consider their game? Have you ever been to a soccer game in Europe? Have you ever been to a football game in the US or football in Europe, which is soccer? They consider it pretty darn serious. It's a big deal. And so Elias says, yeah, it's it's fairly important. And you remember the fourth rule is you're going to be fully invested. And what Elias said was it's it's a game with teeth. So it's not, even though you know we we think of Monopoly as a frivolous thing, and yeah, it's just a game. This is a little bit more. This is a game that has teeth in it, and we're fully invested in it. So even though the construct idea is a game, in order to give us some context, I wouldn't suggest that everybody just takes it necessarily easy. I mean, you can, but it's a game with teeth. It has repercussions, it has karma, it has things going on. So I want to say it's chapter nine, it's called The Orchard Hush. And this is at a point where he's learned a bunch about how the game operates and the fact that we're all interconnected and that we are co-creators in this game. In other words, we're co-gods, we're co-creators, we're all part of what makes this thing run. And we've all made the decisions to enter in and play. And so in the orchard hush, he's in an apple orchard and he starts exercising some of the things that he doubts he can do. And the suggestion is um that you start small. So there's kind of if if you take the the way it's described is fear is the exists as support blocks to create doubt. Doubt keeps us in the illusion of what's real. And when we start picking away at doubt, we get to start seeing behind the curtain of what's actually going on. And so there's two ways to pierce the illusion of the curtain. One is to start working at it, and the other is what's called an NDE or near-death experience. Now, in near-death experiences, you get it's very black and white. Either you part the veil and change what's happening, or you're dead, hence near death. So I happen to have an NDE that was significant, and fortunately I was able to part the veil, and I'm still here. Um, I would not suggest that for anybody. But what it does do is when you're faced with something like that, doubt kind of gets eliminated. You don't, there is no doubt, because if there is, you don't make it through it. And so that's a real quick way to eliminate doubt, but I can guarantee you that in most cases, what people happen, what people do is if even if they have an ND and they do something, it usually fundamentally changes them. However, if given enough time, they can come up with excuses that it never happened, or I made it up, or something else made it happen, or it was just a fluke, and we come up with all this rationalization behind it when it really was a miracle. And we need to understand that that it's actually seeing through the illusion and seeing what's really going on. So there's a whole bunch of discussion that Gabriel goes with through with Elias about NDEs and all this stuff. But in the Orchard Hush, the first manifestation he tries is simply having a cardinal, a red cardinal, appear. And in this particular part of the country, there are no red cardinals. And so he gets to a point where he gets to a place where he can kind of create the construct, and one appears. And you know, it's very easy easy to rationalize how that bird appeared, right? Well, the bird flew off course, or somebody let it out of their house, or all kinds of things that come in. But the the way it's designed and written is for the reader to understand that it's also very probable that he actually called it into being. And then there's exercises that he does through that chapter that people can follow along with and do to actually start stretching things. And what was now that kind of answers your question, but I also want to take a segue. A couple months after I polished, there's a school in India now that has students that are sitting in front of little pins with pieces of paper on them and little globes of glass, and they're practicing telekinesis and they're spinning the paper. And what's interesting is anybody can do this. Yeah. A couple dollars worth of parts. Well, the glass may be a little bit more, but you can use a big blast. Um, anytime I've stretched what's considered normal, I can tell you exactly what my emotional cycle looks like. First, I'm sitting there, I'm removing doubt, I'm removing doubt. Let's say I want to move this piece of paper, and then I move it. I immediately go into exhilaration and then immediately gets crunched down with fear and doubt. Like within milliseconds. It's it's very fast where it goes from elation to it didn't happen. No, no, no, no. This was make-believe. And and this idea of what's reality comes crushing in when it's not reality. It's the illusion. And so what's really cool about this particular class is they're practicing. And it's a great way. In fact, I'm looking at possibly even selling little kits, is that if you sit there and you move the little paper for a little bit, you go through that cycle of exhilaration and then doubt crushes in, but you get to do it again, and you get to do it again. And pretty soon you start spinning that paper and moving it back and forth, and all of a sudden a huge chunk of doubt is gone. And you start really understanding what we're capable of doing.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Oh, yeah.

The Heart of the Message

SPEAKER_01 51:53

And one of my favorite movies is The Matrix, when Mio goes in and the children are bending spoons. And the one boy says, You have to understand the spoon's not really here. And when you understand the spoon never existed, you can do anything you want with it. Right?

SPEAKER_02 52:15

That movie, Groundhog Day. There's so many people who have figured this out and they give us these passages, your book, for example, to help us remember.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

You're spot on. This was I I didn't mean to interrupt, but as a child growing up with all these theologies, and we're taught, at least I was taught as a child, to put them on pedestals. Right. And it and and even though that's perfectly fine if people want to do that, for me it didn't sit right. But I didn't really understand the why until I put words to paper. And in writing The Infinity Within, one of the things that crystallized for me is that maybe all these teachers, maybe all these people will, you know, Jesus, the Buddha, Eckhart Toll, all these different people, all these different beings, maybe they didn't want to be on pedestals. Maybe they were simply teaching us what we can do and mirroring what we're capable of. And then it's up to us what we do with it.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

I just got cold chills. Everything in me subscribes. Exactly what you just said. Like that is exactly what this whole fits in project purpose is to understand and hear that and see that. And I I get this from many podcast guests, and I love it. I love being on the same page as people. I love that people can hear this message, whether it be through you or through any past guests or any future guests combined, because that is that is the truth of the matter, and it is universal at that point. I mean, Richard Rohr, he wrote the book Universal Christ, and it is one of my favorite books to read. It's one of my favorite books about uh Christianity, but he gives so much respect to other uh theologies. He really breaks down the spiritual concept, and uh just some love like I love that so much because it's just resonating. Most of it, everything, just what you had just said, is just resonating. So yeah, amplifying that.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

Yeah, but it it crystallized for me. I mean, I I understood it at a higher level, but when I got it from pen to paper, it's like, wait a minute. If you read every chapter and verse in the Bible, maybe not every, but many of them, and just take a slightly different perception look of maybe this is a teacher trying to tell us what we're able to do, it all fits. It does. It's amazing. Yeah. I mean, you can you can read them and just go, oh, oh. Yep. And and it was really eye-opening for me.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

This is how I feel with um, I mean, even Kabbalah Jewish mysticism is very much in line with with this. And it's just such a powerful, and it makes it when I practice and I'm in this, and and I I do much through meditation daily, and it's such a connection field for me. So when I say I'm so excited to read this and be Gabriel for a little bit, I can't tell you enough. Like that is I'm so honest about that statement. I can't wait. Did you get the paper or did you get the auto? I got the paperback. I don't listen very well to books. I'll can listen to podcasts all day, every day. But with books, I like to reread, I like to digest, I like to uh spend my time with them for sure.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

Absolutely. I I'm a reader on paper as well, but I I if you have a moment, I'll tell you a quick story about the narrator.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

So this is a story that I'm super proud of. Um, it gave me the feeling that I actually did what I wanted to do. And here's why. I took a fair amount of time researching the voice I wanted for the book. And I found a narrator, his name's Eduardo Bellellini. I'm pretty sure I'm pronouncing that right, and um got a hold of him. And if you look him up, he's a professional actor, screenwriter, and award-winning narrator. And he's done over 750 books, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

So he's not new to this. What's really cool is he read for Eckhart Toll, he read for Dean Koontz, he's read for the Dalai Lama, and a number of other books in this niche.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

So, and we're talking the top authors, right? And he said, Well, I'm gonna be a little expensive. I said, I understand. He and he said, Well, and second off, I'm not gonna be able to get to this till probably middle of next year, meaning 26. I said, You know what? Your voice is worth it to me. I I really want you to be part of this. He said, All right. So in Audible, there's a 15-minute sample that needs to be done in order for the contract to kind of get gelled and go through the process. So he does that evening, he does the 15-minute sample and he gets back to me the next day. He says, Um, I'm not putting this down, I'm finishing it this week. And he postponed and did my book in about a week that week.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

So for somebody that reads for those folks to say, I'm not putting this down and I'm gonna finish it, was really cool.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Um, if you get a chance, I I heard what you said. You you're not really into audibles, but his voice in the book is really well done. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

Even more, I feel even more energized behind it. Like I just, it's got a lot of momentum. It's got a lot of positivity around it, it's got a lot of good, useful tactics. And, you know, for someone who is a seeker, I feel like this would be perfect for them. And for someone who loves these types of messages and curiosity, who loves to learn, who loves to play, who isn't wanting now that to are going out to hurt others, I feel like those goals are what makes this book perfect.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

Thank you so much for sharing this. And it you can tell there's a lot of heart put into it and intention. And I really, really appreciate you taking your time and being part of the Fitzin project.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Well, thank you, Rachel. I very much appreciate being here.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Uh, wasn't that so good? Oh my gosh, I did get my copy of The Infinity Within. It is right here, and I've made a little bit of a dent in it. And I will say, it is so hard to put down. It's such a good book. I am not only fascinated with Chris's whole podcast that we just had, but also the way he writes and the way this book is so thought-provoking. I mean, it's perfect for the curious mind. And honestly, I 10 out of 10 recommend. So I can't wait to finish it and speak more about it. I'll probably tell you more about it in my ratings and reviews in my email. So if you're not part of my subscription, please go down, get yourself into the fits in community through the email subscription because there's a lot of stuff that's going on. Actually, even right now, I'm I've Teach pop-up yoga classes online. It's accessible to everybody. And the people that know about it are the ones that are receivers and can receive my messages through email. So it's the best way to stay in contact. And you know, if you want to see me as an actual real person behind the voice, that is also another way to just be in the Fits and Project community. So, anyways, go get your book, join the Fits in community even deeper, and let's seal this beautiful podcast with one um. Bring it in your hands to Heart Center, take a breath in.